Why are there two Challenges in the DSA Identification Scheme?

cryptoQueen

8/1/24, 4:17 PM

Would either $\alpha$ or $r$ suffice as challenge?

I am aware that the signature and verification were to adapt. However, what is the motivation behind using two challenges?

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xacid

8/2/24, 8:02 PM

Assume the verifier is honest so that the adversary wants to fool the verifier using a previous transcript.

$\alpha$ is necessary. If not, then let $\alpha=0$. The adversary gets $g^k, r, s = k^{-1}xr$ and computes $k^{-1}x$. Then, for some random $t$ it computes $I' = g^{tk}, u' = (tk)^{-1}x$ which can fool the verifier for any random challenge $r'$ by sending $I'$ and $s' = u'r'$.

I am unsure if $r$ is necessary. Please post the full context.

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whatf0xx

8/4/24, 11:42 AM

Without r, if Eve can get the prover to use the same k to sign two different values of alpha then she can recover k, and hence x, the private key. If r is included, this doesn't work. I am trying to find a solution for how alpha lets the private key be recovered from a single signature, or similar, but this is potentially also a good reason.

xacid

8/17/24, 2:50 PM

I agree with that the attack works when "use the same k" twice. However, this is unnatural since the prover is partly compromised and $k$ is the only randomization of the prover.

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